Jihadist Shooter Kills Two in “Gun-Free” Australia
“Politically motivated and therefore linked to terrorism.”
After the shooting in Oregon this weekend, an angry Obama took to the airwaves and insisted that he would openly politicize gun control. The president cited Australia, a country with extremely strict gun control as a model.
Would you believe bad guys can get guns even there?
FOX News reports:
At least 2 dead in shooting outside police building in Australia, reports say
At least two people are dead after a shooting outside a police headquarters in Australia on Friday, according to published reports.
The Daily Telegraph Australia reports a lone gunman shot and killed a police IT expert outside New South Wales state Police headquarters in the Parramatta section of western Sydney The gunman was subsequently shot and killed by police, according to the newspaper.
Police confirmed that a major operation was taking place between Hassall Street and Charles Street near the police headquarters. They advised the public to avoid the area. Sky News Australia helicopter footage spotted bodies covered in sheets near the police building.
Real estate agent Edwin Almeida reportedly told the Australia Associated Press that he saw a man with a gun screaming and pacing up and down the side of the building, before seeing a body next to him. Sky News Australia reported that the gunman was wearing a black gown.
You might be surprised to learn that it was extremely difficult to find a decent video report on this story from American media outlets. At the time of this writing, none of the major news outlets have posted anything about this on their official YouTube channels.
Luckily, we found one decent video:
Complicating matters for Obama and his politically correct fans even further is the fact that the shooter was a Muslim who visited a mosque on his way to commit the crime.
The Telegraph reported:
The gunman who shot dead a police staffer was a 15-year-old who had visited Parramatta Mosque on his way to commit murder.
The teenager, a naturalised Australian of Iraqi-Kurdish background who arrived with his family from Iran, had walked to the police headquarters in Charles Street from his home in north Parramatta before opening fire on a civilian police employee.
The victim was identified as Curtis Cheng, a 17-year veteran of the police finance department, Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione said today.
Mr Cheng — a father-of-two, of a son and a daughter — was shot in point blank range by the teen as he left work yesterday just after 4.30pm.
Speaking at a press conference today, Mr Scipione said the attack was “politically motivated and therefore linked to terrorism”.
Tell us more about how America should be like Australia, Mr. President.
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Obviously Australia needs to disarm its cops to prevent this ever happening again.
/Left Logic
Oddly enough, BarackHUSSEIN0bama unavailable for comment.
Australia is not “gun free.” Citizens can own MULTIPLE guns, as long as each one is licensed. Australia outlawed certain automatic weapons for public ownership, the kind that were used in the mass murders of schoolchildren and others, which led to the banning of those kinds of guns. But they were NOT banned for police or special security personell. The cops inside the police station have automatic weapons. Which they undoubtedly grabbed when their fellow officer was shot.
Further – and this was the purpose of outlawing certain classes of weapons, and substantially reducing the number of bullets that could be purchased for legal guns, was to try to prevent future multiple killings of innocent civilians, of the kind we just had here this week. And in the two decades since the new gun policy was initiated there hasn’t been one horrific mass shooting in Australia.
Want to reduce massacre killings in the US? Then seriously look at the Australian program which HAS reduced those acts of public execution.
Did actual gun crime go down in Austrailia and England with confiscation? Did other crimes such as ” hot burglaries” decrease with confiscation? No., they went up. High profile crimes are rare and the confiscation may not fully explain this. Also, the banning of handguns due to Dunblane easily sugar coats that situation where wagging tongues destroyed a man and his livelihood…not saying his action justify things but look deeper into why things happen. Another Oregonian… Patrick Purdy got this going with shooting the kids in Stockton, Ca…. multiple criminal history forgiven by liberal courts…
Please name one shooter that had a concealed carry permit. Interestingly, Britain has had low gun crime rates….the main reason for control was to protect the monarchy and maintain government control from communist take over or IRA warfare. Finall, the issue is liberty or government over control…. One has risks, the other…no freedom.
“Did actual gun crime go down in Austrailia and England with confiscation? Did other crimes such as ” hot burglaries” decrease with confiscation? ”
I don’t know about England, but I’ve been reading up on Australia and the studies and conclusions about the murder and crime rates are contradictory. Half say they got better, half say they didn’t. (Google the topic on FactCheck.org).
But two indisputable statistics are that mass killings have stopped (over the last two decades, we dont know what the future will bring) and suicides by gun have dropped significiently.
Good points have been made.
It is true that there has been no or few mass killings since the ban of certain types of guns, but I do seem to have a memory of something happening here several years ago at a mall. My memory is a bit hazy so I might be wrong.
YES there are guns available, and the criminals manage to get hold of guns on the black market. Some individuals had tried to import gun parts that could be made into real guns.
Yes there is violence when people use guns. This is most prevalent in certain areas of Sydney where there mudslimes who are members of gangs. If a Middle Eastern type gets shot the area clams up about them. Those gangs include bikie gangs such as the Comancheros and Hells Angels. Shoot outs can occur anywhere.
They also use knives and machetes to kill people.
Evil exists. Nothing, EVER, will makes this statement not true. Ban guns then Evil will find another way. The problem with gun control is that the focus is on the gun not on the Evil that perpetuates it.
Who would have thought a rice cooker could be the instrument of mass murder. The idea of gun control is a soothing salve that lulls people into believing that they are no longer responsible for their own safety.
Evil will find a way to maim and destroy … always, I choose to take my chances with gun in hand, and I scoff at those that say I must roll over and piss myself in the face of Evil.
while you point out a decrease in suicides by gun, did the overall suicide rate fall? One way is exchanged for another. In Britain, with less guns…the classic suicide was a bottle of Tylenol.
With conflicting findings on crime…obviously not a clear cut win for guns bans…it would be nice to have a decisive trend … That it didn’t happen tends to show politics…plenty of promises but nothing delivered.
Look at Prohibition… Look at the war on drugs…. criminal elements empowered. Yes, less people drank booze but at what cost? Ban “assault weapons” and the real ones show up on the street as to example with the Hollywood bank heist. The black market will fill any vacuum with bigger and badder stuff. The real issue is the rise of the young male dystopic failure living in a marginal world created by social media, drugs and / or no strong family unit .
Finally, if one thinks the open borders that lets illegals in … Only traffics in wannabe citizens… I am more concerned about the really bad guys coming over…armed and ready … such as sleeper Quds forces. Schools would be great targets.. and hardening security for any eventuality will close the door some on crazies.
Just one small problem Australia does not have a 2nd amendment to protect citizen’s god given right to self defense. We do!
The Australia government instituted a mandatory national buyback program. Taking about 650,000 to one million weapons from lawful citizens.
“You simply cannot praise Australia’s gun-laws without praising the country’s mass confiscation program. That is Australia’s law. When the Left says that we should respond to shootings as Australia did, they don’t mean that we should institute background checks on private sales; they mean that they we should ban and confiscate guns. No amount of wooly words can change this. Again, one doesn’t bring up countries that have confiscated firearms as a shining example unless one wishes to push the conversation toward confiscation.
When gun control advocates say they want Australian gun control laws in the United States, what they are really saying is that they want gun confiscation in the United States.”
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/25/the-australia-gun-control-fallacy/
“Just one small problem Australia does not have a 2nd amendment to protect citizen’s God given right to self defense”
First, there is no God given right to anything in the Constitution. The word ‘God’ isn’t in Constitution.
Second, the Australians don’t seem especially disturbed about not having a 2nd Amendment right. Nor do the Canadians. Nor the English. Nor the Irish. They are all English speaking modern nations whose laws are derived from the same sources as ours. None of them have a constitutional right for citizens to be armed. All of them have stronger gun laws then we do. All of them have way less murders per population percentage than we do. And all of them have way less guns per population percentage than we do. And NONE of them have been taken over by totalaterian force because their citizens are not sufficiently armed.
Most of us have no desire to own guns. That might change in the future but we have never been big on gun ownership.
My own aversion comes from the fact that my first cousin on my father’s side of the family was murdered via the perpetrator shooting her in the head. He also kidnapped and raped my cousin. Then he shot himself. What a coward.
I will never forget how my cousin died, thus I really am ambivalent as far as gun ownership is concerned.
“My own aversion comes from [crime upon family]”
If you weren’t so focused on the tool, you could turn that around and say that if powerful self-defence technology were not outlawed, that crime could have been less bad.
Guns are a dual-use tool – to attack AND to defend.
jayjerome66 are you going to be the one going door to door trying to confiscate citizens weapons?
My guess is that won’t work very well for you!
I really don’t care that Australians, Canadians or the English do not mind that they don’t have a 2nd amendment.
They know we do and that is why they all are trying to immigrate here legally!
One last issue… I never said the word “God” was in our Constitution? Not sure where you got that misinformation.
My mistake. When you said this: “2nd amendment to protect citizen’s god given right to self defense” I assumed you were making a religious reference to the 2nd Amendment.
And no, I’m not knocking on anyone’s door.
My advice it that we should do something to substantially reduced the number of lethal guns to a more normal level, like Australia did, and like all the other civilized democracies and republics we consider our allies. But I know that’s not gonna happen here. We’ll just put up with the status quo, and every couple of months spend a few days commiserating with the parents and loved ones of the latest gun massacre, then shake our heads and go about our business.
If Obama is truthfully trying to reduce gun crime and make people ever where safer not just a few mass shootings then there is a method that will work without a doubt because it has been done before with great results. “Project Exile”
“Project Exile was, by most accounts, one of the most successful violent crime reduction strategies in the United States. The initiative started in February 1997 and was a coordinated effort between the Richmond Commonwealth Attorney’s Office, Richmond Police Department (RPD), the U.S. Attorney’s Office, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), to target felons carrying firearms and prosecute them in federal court where they would receive stiffer sentences, no bail, and no early release. As a result, at the end of 1998, firearms-related homicides had decreased almost 40 percent in Richmond, Virginia.”
http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=3192&issue_id=112013
Use Project Exile across the country!! Why won’t Obama support this? Because that is not their goal! It would with out a doubt would accomplish a big reduction in gun crime and would be supported by most 2nd amendment supporters. And it makes the criminal responsible for what they have done. Not responsible gun owners.
I have no problem with throwing a person who uses a firearm in a crime in jail for a long. long time!
Do you realize that there are between 80 and 120 million gun owners in America? And that yesterday (and the day before, and the day before that), not one of them killed anyone? In a year in which 10,000 people are murdered with firearms, if each of those victims were killed by a separate perpetrator, that means .0125 of 1% of gun owners were responsible for those deaths (assuming 80 million gun owners). Any statistician would tell you that this number is so vanishingly small that American firearms owners present nearly exactly zero threat to their neighbors and communities.
The media regularly condemns “American gun culture” for “the carnage.” How many murderers and mass shooters can you name who were actual members of that culture? How many were NRA members, licensed concealed carriers, or dedicated collectors of firearms? How many were competitors, participants in the Civilian Marksmanship Program, or graduates of an Eddie Eagle program or other safety course? How many were hunters, or rednecks with guns on a rack in the back windows of their pickups? The answer is “zero.” The problem has nothing to do with “American gun culture” and nothing to do with the general ownership of firearms.
Dave,
I never killed anyone with my guns. None of my relatives or friends (that I know of) killed anyone with their guns either. And I’m not worried about you killing anyone or any of the honest good people who own them shooting me.
But I am worried about all the not so good people with guns who use them daily to rob assault shoot and or kill people. And twice fold worried about the mental defectives who shoot up classrooms. And the Islamic haters who shoot up cartoonists. And in any confrontation with any of these armed a-holes my alarm factor would go up by a factor of ten if they’re carrying automatic weapons.
So how do we disarm them? Or even partially disarm them? Prayer doesn’t seem to work. Any other ideas?
” They are all English speaking modern nations whose laws are derived from the same sources as ours. ”
Maybe, but culturally they are different. Just meet them in the street and even a Brazillian can distinguish between them.
Aussies are laid back compared to the Brits who need to have a pint or two to relax.
From an overall view of American media it seems to be the most stressed out of all. Where an administration is doing all it can to incite a racial chasm and a political elite trashing faith, it is no wonder that there are many walking around on the point of snapping.
Normal is a person of sound mind who has been brought up by a close-knit family and taught how to deal with life.
Not normal is one who goes out armed with intent because of something bugging him. Even a baseball bat can be handy to swing wildly in a crowd.
Knives have been used in Jerusalem these past days.
There’s more to controlling violence than mere gun laws.
I read elsewhere (on the Gateway Pundit, I believe…?), that he was shouting, “Allah! Allah!” as he was shooting.
Definitely a terror attack. And only 15 years old.
Tragic. That poor family, and his children. Heartbreaking.
It is true he was shouting “Allah, Allah” in order to draw attention to himself.
It was a targeted shooting and the victim had no chance at all because he was shot in the back of the head. The plan was to get the police to come outside and shoot them.
And yes, because of these factors it was a terrorist attack. Scipione got it right.
I wouldn’t be so quick to have sympathy for his family. The way these situations go, they’re as likely to support the boy’s actions, and consider him a jihadi and martyr.
Who is this jayjerome66 troll? smh
Im more an Agnostic Jewish leprechaun than a troll.
And I’ve been posting here going on 3 years now.
And to paraphrase my heroine Lucy Ricardo: I’ve been thrown out of better places than this one!
Agnostic. From the Greek “not” and “knowing”. Now we know what to pray for.
“On the sixth day, God created man. On the seventh day, man returned the favor.”
Which explains why Abraham’s god is so venal, petty, jealous, angry, vindictive, and needy. If one wants to imagine a perfect, loving god, one should not base that god upon the likes of man.
Better to imagine a Pantheon of not so perfect gods, male and female, like the Greeks did, which more realistically jibes with the ‘creation’ of irrational human cultures through history. It’s irrational to think a single male being made this mess – it obviously took lots of screwed up entities to jumble this incoherent world together
Someone who puts all their trust, their future, their freedom in the hands of someone they don’t know. It is so interesting to hear talk of getting rid of this or that right when nothing is going wrong,. Does such a person not buy insurance? There is a costly premium to protecting and assuring rights. When the Rodney King ” Loot’ scoot and shoot riots 1 and 2″ happened only armed people, especially Korean, kept their property intact…cops were protecting the government. Facing off against a crowd…a single shot pop gun is not going to save anything. Government promises safety…but in the end only assures it fir themselves.
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
Want to be a fish?
Just for accuracy’s sake, the Jihadist shooter only killed one person.
He didn’t kill a second victim — the second “victim” was he himself, after having been shot by the police.
But amazingly, just as it so often is here, the Left is puzzled as to his motive: “We may discover why he killed, but we may not. It is possible the only person who knew why a child took an innocent life lies in the morgue …” It’s a puzzlement! I’m holding out for them to somehow blame it on the poisoning of society by America’s “gun culture”. It wouldn’t surprise me if someone already had.
Slowly but surely we are getting the facts. What I learned today is that his friend at school was a radical. It could have been this person who radicalised him. However, I think that perhaps one has to look closely at the attitudes of the family. Even that mosque might be very innocent. I do not know.
15 year old boys and girls are easily influenced. If he ever attended a rally with a member of Hizb-ut-tahrir then we would have an answer for this crime.
But how do 15 year old boys get guns in Australia?
Violent crime, including murder, was already falling in Australia, just as it was in America, when they banned guns. It’s still falling in Australia, just as it is in the US. And…?
Australia never had a real problem with “mass shootings” to begin with. It wasn’t a regular occurrence when citizens were allowed to have guns, and it’s not a regular occurrence now that they’re not allowed to have guns.
But that’s not to say there aren’t still post-ban mass killings, if you count as a mass killing any crime where someone kills three or more people:
— Childers Palace Fire – In June 2000, drifter and con-artist Robert Long started a fire at the Childers Palace backpackers hostel that killed 15 people.
— Sef Gonzales – On July 10, 2001, Sef Gonzales bludgeoned to death his sister, mother and father with a baseball bat.
— Monash University shooting – In October 2002, Huan Yun Xiang, a student, shot his classmates and teacher, killing two and injuring five.
— Churchill Fire – 10 confirmed deaths due to a deliberately lit fire. The fire was lit on 7 February 2009.
— Lin family murders – On July 2009, Lian Bin “Robert” Xie killed his sister, her husband and three members of their family (5 persons from the Lin family) with a hammer.
— 2011 Hectorville siege – A mass shooting that took place on Friday, April 29, 2011, in Hectorville, South Australia. It began after a 39-year-old male, Donato Anthony Corbo, went on a shooting rampage, killing three people and wounding a child and two police officers, before being arrested by Special Operations police after an eight-hour siege.
— Quakers Hill Nursing Home Fire – 10 confirmed and as many as 21 people may have died as a result of a deliberately lit fire in a Quakers Hill nursing home. The fire was lit early on 18 November 2011.
— Hunt family murders – Geoff Hunt killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself on September 9, 2014.
— Cairns stabbings – A woman stabbed 8 children to death on Friday, 2014, December 19, 2014. 7 of them were her own.
And as for suicides, sure people don’t kill themselves with guns so much any more… they just find other ways to off themselves. Lifeline Australia reports that overall suicides are at a ten-year high. Cutting “gun suicides” has just increased suicides by other means. Hanged, shot or poisoned, dead is still dead, isn’t it?
The whole thing is just so much malarkey.
there have been other incidents but you have covered some of the worst.
We also had the Hoddle Stret massacre as well as the murder of three policeman in either Cheltenham or Moorabbin. A total of 3 police were killed in that incident.
In Melbourne, there have been deaths via guns, and most have been people who are part of the underworld.
There have been serial killers. One such killer offed 3 victims and I think he used a knife on them.
Many of the Sydney murders are of people who also belong to the underworld. Then there is the extreme situation of the backpacker murders involving Ivan Milat. Several backpackers were murdered by this man.
“Australia never had a real problem with “mass shootings” to begin with. It wasn’t a regular occurrence when citizens were allowed to have guns”
First, citizens are still allowed to have guns, just not the automatic versions that were banned.
Second, what’s your definition of a regular occurrence? See below for a list of multiple killings in the two decades up until the Port Arthur massacre when Martin Bryant killed 35 and injured 21 others in a shooting spree that birthed the new gun law.
But you have this really deceptive statement that needs correcting: “Lifeline Australia reports that overall suicides are at a ten year high.”
Between 2002 and 2012 the suicide rate in Australia has decreased by 17%, from 12.7 to 10.5 deaths per 100,000 people, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS). In 2013 it went up to (hold your breath) 10.9 per 100,000.
So after ten years, technically the rate is at a decade high: up .4% – a statistical blip.
Here’s the list of mass murders by gun, before the new gun law went into effect. The list of gun deaths in Australia since the new law is substantially LESS.
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• #22 September 1976 – William Robert Wilson shot dead 17-year-old Monika Schleus and 18-year-old Marianne Kalatzis and wounded Donald William Hepburn Galloway, Mavis Ethel Sanders, Virginia Hollidge and Quinto Alberti on Boundary Street, Spring Hill, Brisbane. After arming himself with a .22 calibre rifle and 500 rounds of ammunition he arrived at Boundary Street around 12.30 pm and began shooting randomly in a milk bar and a neighbouring shop before being captured by heavily armed police around 4:15 pm at a suburban house where Wilson was holding a man and four young women hostage. Wilson served three years in a mental hospital and after being found fit for trial, pleaded guilty and was sentenced in 1980 to two consecutive life sentences for the murders and concurrent 10 years sentences for the four attempted murders.[28]
• 16 December 1976 – Faraday kidnapper Edwin Eastwood escaped from Geelong Prison after stealing a car; on 15 February 1977, he kidnapped a teacher and nine pupils from the Wooreen State School in Gippsland, Victoria, before taking another six hostages in 20 minutes. He demanded a ransom of US$7 million, guns, 100 kilograms of heroin and cocaine, and the release of seventeen inmates from Pentridge Prison; However, one of the hostages escaped and notified police, Eastwood fled with the remaining hostages, and after the campervan was disabled by police gunfire at Woodside, Eastwood was shot below the right knee and re-captured by police.
• 15 July 1977 – Donald Mackay disappearance – Anti-drugs campaigner Donald Mackay from Griffith, New South Wales disappeared, presumed murdered. James Frederick Bazley was sentenced to three consecutive terms of life imprisonment plus 12 years without the possibility of parole in 1986 for the murder of Mackay, the murders of Crown witnesses Douglas and Isabel Wilson on 13 April 1979, and the armed robbery of $260,000 from a security van in 1978; he died of cancer on 8 November 2001.[29]
• 13 February 1978 – Sydney Hilton bombing – Three men killed by a bomb blast outside Commonwealth Heads of Government Regional Meeting in Sydney. Ananda Marga members were imprisoned but later pardoned and released[30]
• 22 April 1978 – discovery of the Truro murders.
• 11 August 1978 – John Ernest Cribb raped Valda Connell before stabbing her and two of her children, Sally and Damien Connell, at Swansea, NSW.
• 22 November 1978 – The Magnetic drill gang stole $1.7 million from a Murwillumbah bank.[31]
• 1978–1979 – Paul Steven Haigh murders six victims to cover up armed robberies; he later hanged a cellmate at Pentridge Prison in 1991.
• 26 April 1980 – Louise and Charmian Faulkner disappearance – A mother and her two-and-a-half-year-old daughter disappeared from outside their St Kilda, Victoria residence and are presumed murdered (unsolved).
• 23 June 1980 – Family Court judge Justice David Opas was shot dead at his home by an unknown gunman.[32]
• 24 September 1981 – Campsie murders – Fouad Daoud killed his wife, four of his children, and then himself in Campsie, New South Wales.[33]
• 22 June 1982 – Perth Mint Swindle – Robbery of 49 gold bars valued at up to A$653,000(at the time) from the Perth Mint in Western Australia. Three brothers, Ray, Peter and Brian Mickelberg, were found guilty of the conspiracy and sentenced in 1983 to twenty, sixteen and twelve years imprisonment respectively; all three were later exonerated.
• 23 June 1983 – Martin Leach bound, gagged and stabbed Charmaine Ariet and bound, gagged, stabbed, raped and slit the throat of her cousin Janice Carnegie before burying their bodies in a gully at Berry Springs.
• 18 August 1983 – Douglas Crabbe rammed his 25-ton Mack truck into a motel bar at the base of Uluru, Northern Territory, killing 5 people and injuring 16.
• 6 October 1983 – Mother-of-two Edwina Boyle disappeared from her Dandenong home; it was determined that her husband, Frederick Boyle, had shot her in the back of the head with a .22 calibre rifle to engage in an affair with a neighbour, and had concealed her remains in a barrel until they were found in 2006.[34]
• 31 January 1984 – Sydney’s 1984 ‘Dog Day Afternoon’ – 35-year-old Hakki Bahadir Atahan went on a bank robbery spree, taking 11 people hostage, and holding police at bay for several hours before being shot dead by a police sniper on the Sydney Harbour Bridge.
• 1 June 1984 – Wahroonga murders – A Wahroonga man, John Brandon, murdered his three children, his wife and his mother before killing himself.[35]
• 14 August 1984 – Fine Cotton Affair – A syndicate of trainers and bookmakers substituted one horse for another at a Brisbane horse race.
• 2 September 1984 – Milperra massacre – Two rival bikie gangs staged a shoot-out in the car park of a south-western Sydney hotel. 7 people were shot dead and 28 others injured.
• 6 November 1984 – Murder of Kylie Maybury – six-year-old Melbourne schoolgirl Kylie Maybury is kidnapped, raped and murdered after being sent on an errand to buy a bag of sugar (unsolved)
• 9 May 1985 – Christopher Flannery disappearance – Known as “Mr-Rent-A-Kill”, Melbourne hitman Christopher Dale Flannery disappears without trace, presumed murdered (unsolved).
• 2 February 1986 – Anita Cobby murder – Sydney nurse Anita Cobby was abducted, robbed, raped, brutalised and murdered by career criminals John Travers, Michael Murdoch and brothers Michael, Gary and Leslie Murphy.
• 6 February 1986 – Sallie-Anne Huckstepp murder – Sydney prostitute and police informant Sallie-Anne Huckstepp is found strangled and shot in Centennial Park. Convicted murderer Arthur “Neddy” Smith is charged with ordering the killing but was acquitted (unsolved).
• 27 March 1986 – Russell Street bombing – Four men planted a car bomb outside Police Headquarters in Russell Street, Melbourne; a 22-year-old policewoman was killed in the explosion and 22 others injured.
• 8 May 1986 – Sharron Phillips’ disappearance – 20-year-old Sharron Phillips went missing after her car ran out of petrol on Ipswich Road at Wacol, Queensland (unsolved).[36]
• 23 January 1987 – Richard Maddrell shot dead four teenage women with his shotgun in the Sydney suburb of Pymble.[38]
• 9 August 1987 – Hoddle Street massacre – 19-year-old Julian Knight killed 7 people and injured 19 at random in Hoddle Street, Melbourne before surrendering to police.
• 19 June 1987 – Top End Kimberly shootings – German tourist Joseph Schwab shot dead 5 people in the Top End before being shot dead by police.
• 10 October 1987 – Canley Vale shootings – John Tran shot dead 5 people in Canley Vale, New South Wales before killing himself.[40]
• 8 December 1987 – Queen Street massacre – Frank Vitkovic shot dead 8 people and seriously injured 5 others in the Australia Post building in Queen Street, Melbourne before leaping to his death from an 11th floor window.
• 30 August 1990 – Surry Hills massacre – Paul Anthony Evers killed 5 people and injured 7 with a 12 gauge pump-action shotgun at a public housing precinct in Surry Hills, New South Wales before surrendering to police.[43]
• 17 August 1991 – Strathfield massacre – Wade Frankum shot six people dead and stabbed to death another before killing himself in a Sydney shopping centre.
• 29 July 1992 – Burwood triple murder – Ashley Coulston tied up Peter Dempsey Kerryn Henstridge and Anne Smerdon with hand cuffs and thumb cuffs and murdered them by shooting them in the back of their heads with a sawn off 22 calibre semi automatic rifle fitted with a home made silencer in a house in the suburb of Burwood Victoria.
• 1988–1992 – The Backpacker murders – Ivan Milat murdered seven tourists and buried their bodies in Belanglo State Forest.[47]
• 27 October 1992 – Central Coast massacre – Malcolm George Baker went on a spree killing shooting dead six people and injuring one with a 12 gauge pump-action shotgun in Central Coast, New South Wales. He surrendered to police and was later sentenced to six consecutive terms life imprisonment plus 25 years without the possibility of parole.
• 21 August 1993 – John Lascano shot dead three people at a gunshop at the Melbourne suburb of Springvale before stealing a large quantity of firearms and ammunition and setting the store alight.[50]
• 29 November 1993 – Jolimont Centre siege – Felipe Ruizdiaz shot and wounded Geoff McGibbon at Dickson before crashing his vehicle rigged with petrol and gas canisters through the front glass walls of the Jolimont Centre in Canberra. During a two-hour siege at the Centre, Ruizdiaz shot at police and rescue workers using a 12-gauge shotgun before setting fire to the building and committing suicide. The fire and explosions hampered rescue and police efforts and caused several million dollars worth of damage to the centre.
• 25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]
• 28 April 1996 – Port Arthur massacre – Martin Bryant killed 35 at Port Arthur, Tasmania and injured 21 others in a shooting spree
You are mindlessly quoting crimes which had nothing to do with guns, and which still can and do occur even after the gun ban.
Australians killed other Australians by various means before the gun ban; and Australians continue to kill other Australians by various means after the gun ban. Happily though, as in America, the murder rate has been falling for some time, a phenomenon which is obviously completely unrelated to the number of guns in circulation.
Here is my cite, from Lifeline Australia: “Deaths by suicide have reached a 10-year peak.” How am I being “really deceptive” in accurately quoting Australia’s main anti-suicide organization? Banning guns did not lower the suicide rate in Australia. It just caused people to choose other methods. That’s an objective, quantifiable fact.
The statistic is deceptive, because the fraction it went up after a decade or more of percentages way lower then they were before the gun law went into effect has no bearing on the argument.
But you know what, Amy – I’m going to defer to your assertion that the gun reduction law in Australia has had little to do with the overall suicide rate, for two reasons.
You already mentioned the first reason: if someone wants to kill themselves, and a gun isn’t available, they’ll substitute some other method (hanging seems to be the method of choice in Australia).
The second reason the gun law hasn’t much affected suicides in Australia is because guns are still plentiful there. After the gun buy-back program was ended overall gun ownership had decreased only by about 4%:
“The estimated number of firearms at the time of the Port Arthur massacre was 3.2 million. Australian Bureau of Statistics data shows the number of guns per 100 people in 1996 would have been 17.3, based on the 3.2 million figure. Today that number is estimated at 13.9 guns per 100 people..”
http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/01/16/cause-for-alarm-australia-has-more-guns-but-theyre-less-dangerous/?wpmp_switcher=mobile
So, banning only semi-automatic and automatic firearms wouldn’t affect the suicide rate much: you don’t need an automatic weapon to kill yourself – one bullet to the brain will suffice.
Let’s talk about the gun buyback (no, they weren’t confiscated). About a million guns were turned into the government for payment. Another 60,000 were either just turned in by good citizens who wanted to comply with the law, or didn’t want to own firearms. But of the guns turned in guns for buy-back, most were replaced with legal single shot rifles, single and double-barrel shotguns and other various firearms with non-automatic shot capability. (Hence the less than 4% drop in gun ownership overall mentioned above).
But by government estimate, about 200,000 to 300,000 automatic weapons were not turned in – No, the government didn’t go banging on doors to confiscate them. If they turned up in a crime or other legal investigation, then they were confiscated. Many of those guns are still unaccounted for, ‘black market’ illegal weapons possibly in the hands of criminals.
So here’s my question: if honest Australians were ‘disarmed’ by their government – as shouted from the rooftops by Anti-Gun-Control advocates – and 200,000 to 300,000 automatic weapons are out there, why haven’t gun assaults and armed robberies significantly increased since 1996? If Austrians were left helpless to defend themselves with only pump shotguns and single shot rifles and revolvers etc., why haven’t home invasions and other acts of intimidation by gun gone sky-high in Australia?
See what I’m getting at? If automatic weapon are banned here (bought-back, turned-in, destroyed) but the public maintains access to traditional self defense guns, why would you expect public safety to be compromised, as that didn’t happen in Australia, an industrial, multi-culture, urbanized society like ours?
‘Austrians’ may or may not be left helpless — but of course I meant ‘Australians’ in the 2nd paragraph from the bottom.
Hey, I know. Let’s trade liberty for a false sense of security! That’ll work!
BTW whenever I hear reporters in Australia reporting on these matters, my BS meter goes out of control. Mostly they follow the lies from the US MSM.
Do not be fooled about the intent of our gun laws. We have them for a reason and it is noted that the laws have not stopped the crimes from happening.
Guns in the hands of legal owners are used several times every day in this country, for the purpose of preventing crime. Today’s count, based on a quick search, was 5 incidents.
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=62139
Auditing Shooting Rampage Statistics
http://www.examiner.com/article/auditing-shooting-rampage-statistics
“The average deaths in a shooting rampage when stopped by police is 14.3.
The average deaths in a shooting rampage when stopped by civilians is 2.3”
And Valerie, weren’t those links to the data he based his story on amazing?!?!
Who could doubt the veracity of his reporting after examining them!
Er… you get the picture, right?
Yes, we all know you have too much time on your hands.
True.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MMz-cwrXK-o
“Want to reduce massacre killings in the US? Then seriously look at the Australian program which HAS reduced those acts of public execution.”
BS. Killings of all kinds were already going down there as they are here.
Everything JJ troll has to say is BS, as usual.
Here’s a fact for you – take the murders committed by inner city welfare recipients out of the statistics and the US has one of the lowest murder rates in the world. If you want to reduce murder rates, eliminate welfare.
Barry, sweetie, I can tell you’re sleepy; those eyelids are fluttering. Time to put on the jammies and brush your teeth. Tomorrow is a school day!
But before you doze off into never-never land, think about this: if you eliminate welfare, won’t you have even more desperate inner-city former recipients roaming around looking for victims to rob or murder to survive? Wont there be quadruple the number of drug dealers out there, hustling for clients, and a gazillion teenaged prostitutes calling invitations for sex from doorways and other public places?
See, that what happens to your brain when your tired and sluggish. You come up with dunderhead ideas that make no sense. Hush, hush — don’t fret; tomorrow is another day in which to iron out those wrinkled brain channels.
So what you’re saying is that to stop crime these ” victims ” must be bribed?
Maybe if society went back to social behaviour developed over 2000 years and taught ” by the sweat of your brow shall you eat ” it would get a morre peaceful existence?
You are 100% right!
No free rides!
So how do we do that?
Whips and chains?
Repeated playing of the Star Spangled Banner over loud speakers mounted on moving vans?
Firing squads?
I think that would be a great question to bring up at the next presidential debate.
And I bet the only honest answer you’ll get is from Donald.
Stop the failed “War On Drugs” and legalize prostitution, that would pull the rug right out from under a lot of the gang activity that leads to violent crime and turf related inner city shootings.
Yeah, give me some of that wonderful Australian liberty:
“A prominent pro-life activist who sits on the board for Center for Medical Progress, the group responsible for releasing the undercover videos at the heart of the Planned Parenthood debate, has been detained in Australia after his visa was canceled over controversial writings about abortion providers.”
Cancelled his visa and detained him for something he wrote about abortionists.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/1/troy-newman-center-for-medical-progress-activist-b/
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Things like outlawing and confiscating guns does not happen in a vaccuum. It’s always one part of a larger, either hyper-liberal or outright fascist, agenda.
Wheeeee! We’re Australia and we outlawed guns! Wheeee! We’re Australia where you can get detained by the government because of something you wrote in an article!
Note: America ain’t Australia.
Isn’t that old news, Henry? They already kicked his butt out of Australia and he’s back in he USA.
He’s vowing to get back to Australia. The good news would be is if he or his associates took video of his being detained he’ll now have time to false edit them to make it seem his ‘aborted’ visit was illegal, a plot effectuated by Planned Parenthood in America, and them he might be able to drum up support by having Carly and Cruz and other presidential hopefuls threaten to go to war with the Aussies if they don’t make amends.
Free The CMP!
And, oh yeah, Henry, you left out that they claim what he wrote about abortionists was a rationalization for killing them.
The Australian Constitution, adopted in 1901, is based upon the US Constitution.
There is one big difference: Australia never adopted any of the Bill of Rights.
They have no freedom of speech, freedom to bear arms, freedom against illegal search & seizure, etc.
Because they are much more homogeneous as a culture, they have fewer societal problems; the more diverse they become, the more that will change for the worse.
At least they have had the sense to stop illegal immigration!
Jay Jerome, you keep talking about “automatic weapons,” and claim that there are still “200,000 to 300,000 automatic weapons” in private hands, but those were banned on the Australian mainland back in the 1930s. By the time of the buyback, they had already been illegal for 60 years.
Like most anti-gun zealots, you “know” a lot of things that just aren’t so.
I’m not an anti gun zealot, Murphy.
I like guns. I just want there to be less of them in the wrong hands.
I agree with your other comment about decriminalizing drugs and prostitution. Most of the Dems and Repubs running for prez seem to be falling in line for some legalization of pot. But I doubt we’d get any agreement to legalize sex for money, though many of us would say they already sell their asses for campaign finance money.
I guess the Australians didn’t know they already had banned automatic firearms in the 1930s, because dang, they did it again in 1996:
“The first of the national agreements—the National Firearms Agreement (1996)—emerged in response to the mass shootings that occurred at Port Arthur in 1996. The Agreement resulted in restricted legal possession of automatic and semi-automatic firearms and further restricted the legal importation of non-military centrefire self-loading firearms to those with a maximum magazine capacity of five rounds.”
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/rpp/100-120/rpp116/06_reforms.html